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Welcome to Keys upprice 2. After 1month of rising, hope they are expensive ;)

Hello ! Hope i'm doing great.

For each solds , i checked : The date of the trade creation; The history; the price of the keys at the buy

I dont need to provide buyer at less than 17, sold at less than 17 => not in range.


17 - 17 sold 1 - 17 sold 2 - 17 sold 39 - 17 sold - 17 solds 5 - 17 sold 2 - 17 sold 1 - 17 sold 1 - 17 sold very fast - 17 sold (?) - 17 sold 4 - 17 sold 2. - 17 sold 2. - 17 sold - 17 sold - 17 sold - 17 sold - 17 sold - 17 sold - 17 sold - 17 sold 3. - 17 sold 1. - 17 sold 4. - 17 sold

17.11 - 17.11 sold (?)

17.22 - 17.22 sold 2

17.33 - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold 3 - 17.33 sold 2 - 17.33 sold x36 - 17.33 sold x150 - 17.33 sold (?) - 17.33 sold 25 - 17.33 sold - 17.33 solds - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold 3. - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold 3 - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold - 17.33 sold (?)

17.66 - 17.66 sold 6 - 17.66 - sold 7 - 17.66 - sold 1 - 17.66 - sold 20



      Earbuds are going up there is hope

              The only reason Earbuds went up very temporarily is because 10 year old's got a 50 dollar steam card in their sock for Christmas. Regarding this suggestion I think 17.33 is a bit too high maybe if you found more buyers for that price I would up-vote however due to the last suggestion on Earbuds being accepted with only 8 or 9 links of proof I best stay neutral.

                Really? 17.33 is too high when there are 15+ solds for it? GG

                  a ton more people are buying for 17.11 and even selling for 17.11 either way I think its too early to call 17.33 part of a range. I'd rather wait.

                  Bud suggestions being passed with less proof is only because the market is smaller, has nothing to do with pricing other items, regardless of whether or not it is another currency.

                    thts me !!!!!!! XD !!!!!!!!!!!

                    That may be so, however this vote lies under the jurisdiction of the users, and as it stands refined is worth $0.16 and 0.16 x 17= $2.72, so i wouldn't depend on that notion considering the system is all "out of whack." Still i hope for the best. Downvote in light of logic and statistics

                      Well if you think about it, key and bud prices should always be the same in a way. The same amount of refined should go into buds always. That's why when keys weren't completely insane in price, buds costed more. By raising buds, greedy people are just making keys more expensive. The proper thing to do is lower key prices a little to match buds, lower buds to match keys, or lower keys and make refined metal more expensive. Let the dislikes roll in :D

                        Aand.... They fell down again. Now buds are 13 keys.Still better than 11 though.

                          that keys will finally go back down?

                        To whoever is reading this.... u guys gotta admit he has the proof so upvote! :D

                          downvote cooldown

                            He doesn't need prove, any economy will slowly enflate if not regulated by a governing body. Don't upvote this you idiots or eventually the TF2 bublle will burst. I can't believe they let people run the economy like this

                              Whats a TF2 "bublle"?

                            soon enough people who have more real life cash will be he richer one. well i dont really care upvote for good proof .

                                      it shows how healthy it is :P

                                      For metal grows at an exponentially greater rate than that of keys and the market is merely trying to meet the equilibrium of supply and demand. Expect it to grow much more until people stop buying keys with metal.

                                          But you have to sell the refined first, and with so many sellers out there..

                                        Do YOU realise ref is dropping too and you can still buy keys for 2.50????? this is literally making no change in the market, except giving new players a good start because of the amount of ref they can exchange keys into.

                                          What if people don't want to spend money on the game..?

                                          Raising the ref to key ratio is just making it harder on f2p players....

                                            If they're F2P, then they don't care about the economy, they just want to play the game.


                                                Not necessarily...

                                                  Some F2P beg for items and trade to get a upgrade to premium

                                                    My honest tip, is to get csgo and trade there, keys there will always be the same price.

                                              shouldnt keys be worth like 2.49$ or arround that like in the mannco store? iidk.... with this post keys are goin to be atleast 2.80$

                                                  ;_; its 2 much 4 me. i quit.

                                                  Cooldown rule is in effect.

                                                    Price increase is 0.33, I know the cool down doesn't apply if the change is either greater than 0.33 or just equal to 0.33, can anyone clarify?

                                                      It previously increased by a refined, or something like it. So it must be applied.. I guess?

                                                        Doesn't answer my question.

                                                          Quote from the forums:

                                                          Do not suggest a new price range for keys until 3 days have passed since the last one,

                                                          Unless the price has changed by 0.33 refined or greater.

                                                          Or if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof and arguments.

                                                            Thanks. Vote is valid then

                                                              so maybe the rule needs to be updated? 0.33 was a good thing when price was changing by a couple of scraps. now it's changing by 1-2 refs

                                                          I would guess that, if this pass cool-down time or if this is apparently valid range, it might get accepted shortly after cool-down ends.

                                                          well the same thing happened with buds and the suggestiong got accepted and there was basically no proof :3

                                                            Pretty sure that was a special case for multiple reasons considering buds can only top at 20 keys given their constant up and down history over the past few years. Buds are limited by how many keys an individual can buy, refined is unlimited based on just how many accounts some can get and idle with alts. Keys are most likely far more strict regarding the cooldown rule.

                                                          Keys are so expensive :D

                                                            Hard to believe this is still going up considering most I see in classifieds are 17 ref.

                                                                  Meh. Classifieds are full of 17 ref or less. Neutral for now.

                                                                            Dat 4 ref for Bill

                                                                              Welp refined kinda lost value, due to many, MANY more people preferring to get keys and unbox versus crafting items. Basically the buying power of keys has risen since these days you have encapsulated.

                                                                                im pretty sure people trade ref for keys not because unboxing but because you can sell them to market and further get games.

                                                                                You know, you don't hav to downvote because people are upricing.

                                                                                This is normal if the price keep go up. Thereis no reason for you to downvote. I agree with you, but not for your downvote.

                                                                                I'm only doing my job. I'm updating the price.

                                                                                  I know but I downvoted because for me its illogical. it is self inflation

                                                                                    But this is like this. Your opinion does not count in a vote.

                                                                                    Are my proof good ?

                                                                                    If yes , you don't have to downvote.

                                                                                    It's not because you dn't like the hat or whatever you have to downvote. I'm sorry, but this is stupid.

                                                                                      Yes, but this is actually good. Metal value is not specified anywhere, it's worth only as much as people are ready to pay for it (and I bet they can pay even 20-30 ref for a key). What is doing here, is letting people realize how much others are willing to pay. This leads to stronger economy, exactly opposite to what not so smart kids try to spread - "oh nooo TF2 exonomy is crashiiiing!" - it actually PREVENTS sudden crash.

                                                                                        Then enjoy the x in your votes box on your profile

                                                                                        Yes, but logically, keys should be at about 8.66 ref, Tour of Duty tickets should be 4 ref, and 1 ref should be 25 cents exactly. This is a stable economy that should function with the real price of the Mann Co tickets of one dollar, while keeping ref at a high, respected price.

                                                                                        And keys, while being .66 ref, are a fraction better than buying Mann Co. Tickets, which in turn will preserve the price of Australiums. This is because not everyone will buy Tour of Duty tickets, and so Aussies will still be rare. Thank you for listening, and someday we can get those keys downpriced!

                                                                                          Finally, someone who understands economy! Liked!


                                                                                        why do people get price higher. And i think this needs more proof. There are just few people who solds or buys for that.

                                                                                            There isn't like 20 000 key on the market. Did you forget about people have +200 key in their b not for sales ?

                                                                                            If you can find ANY key suggestion with +500 link , i will give you a bud.

                                                                                              Okay, so 2 things then. How many keys are on the market, and what is the ratio of keys on the market and keys just sitting there?

                                                                                              Also, I won't be checking on this suggestion too often, as for I do not trade anymore.

                                                                                                You expect people to post thousands upon thousands of links? That's silly.

                                                                                                  Yes, I expect people to post thousands upon thousands of links because the amount of sellers listed only represents a tiny, miniscule portion of the market, this doesn't represent everyone selling keys.

                                                                                                    Do you honestly think people will have time to go through and verify every single link? The market would change irregardless of what reports. By the time a key suggestion would be approved, the market would've already moved on. It's an ineffective way to price items.

                                                                                                Admins don't care. This isn't about your opinion or what you think. If there is proof, and it's a valid amount it goes. Stop whining and deal with it.

                                                                                                    Pyro : "MMmmmph Mmph"

                                                                                                    Pyro translated : "I want to burn evrything in TF2 economy"

                                                                                                    They all were closed because other suggestion were accepted. But this time, it will be mine !

                                                                                                    BURN IN HELL


                                                                                                  Upvote, good proof

                                                                                                  Not enough proof, also buds are rising. I mean there are 900,000 keys in existence according to ya know. The inflation shouldn't be that extreme in accordance to the 4.5 million refined.

                                                                                                    TF2Finance --> 1 key = 17 ref [url][/url]

                                                                                           price is 16.33.


                                                                                                                If a lot (and i mean A LOT) of people started selling keys for less then price, then people would up the price so much and maybe ( just MAYBE) keys would start to fall in price. But the people complaining about the price are still buying and selling at price, so its their fault.

                                                                                                                  Unfortunately people want to make profit from keys so they are selling always higher than price. We can stop this, but we need A LOT OF people selling keys LOWER than price. And by a lot of i mean at least 50% of key sellers. And you need to convince them to lose profit. That is impossible.

                                                                                                                    There is a way, Im not a fanatic at economy nor do I know alot about it but, I HAVE A PLAN! Im sure most people have heard of people buying trading cards for scrap, and then selling it on to the market for profit in SPENDABLE MONEY. This means that if we can somehow make that a stable price then scrap, which is relative to refined, can be made worth more... AND THUS RAISING THE PRICE OF REF! And lowering the price of keys :D. Also if enough people do this correctly, this makes alot of profit, meaning that you can buy a key for spending 6 ref!!!! thats what I do anyway. i hope this helps! Thanks!

                                                                                                                      I see only 2 possible solutions:

                                                                                                                      1. it's described above

                                                                                                                      2. we can write to valve and convince them to sell refined metal at mann co. store so they can determinate the price of ref. if ref was $0.25 and key was $2,50, key would be always 10 ref (0,25 * 10= 2,50), but i don't think they would do this

                                                                                                                    Why would people accept cotton when they could have silk just as easily?

                                                                                                                      Cooldown, its easy to buy keys for 17 ref, calm down

                                                                                                                        Quote from the forums:

                                                                                                                        Do not suggest a new price range for keys until 3 days have passed since the last one,

                                                                                                                        Unless the price has changed by 0.33 refined or greater.

                                                                                                                        Or if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof and arguments.

                                                                                                                        the suggestion is valid because its changing by atleast .33

                                                                                                                        I don't see why people don't just buy keys from the store anymore.

                                                                                                                          Yet they complain when they can't get enough free metals to buy them.

                                                                                                                          3 days cooldown? wot.

                                                                                                                            Quote from the forums:

                                                                                                                            Do not suggest a new price range for keys until 3 days have passed since the last one,

                                                                                                                            Unless the price has changed by 0.33 refined or greater.

                                                                                                                            Or if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof and arguments.

                                                                                                                            the suggestion is valid because its changing by atleast .33

                                                                                                                              all right, thanks for the information.

                                                                                                                                1. is cooldown still a thing?

                                                                                                                                2. dosen't refined need a decrease in value since keys are 2.69 in USD?

                                                                                                                       much have keys increased in refined this month???

                                                                                                                                either way you got the proof, and you got my upboat ^_^

                                                                                                                                  Quote from the forums:

                                                                                                                                  Do not suggest a new price range for keys until 3 days have passed since the last one,

                                                                                                                                  Unless the price has changed by 0.33 refined or greater.

                                                                                                                                  Or if you do not agree with the last change, you may suggest to revert back with supporting proof and arguments.

                                                                                                                                  the suggestion is valid because its changing by atleast .33



                                                                                                                                    Needs more proof.

                                                                                                                                      Good proof, upduck.

                                                                                                                                        Can you not do this?

                                                                                                                                          I'd like to point out that at the current value on refined metal ($0.16), keys are currently worth $2.67 - $2.72, and if this suggestion gets passed, they will be worth $2.72 - $2.77. Probably need to update refined metal prices.

                                                                                                                                            more ref!!!!!

                                                                                                                                              cooldown yo

                                                                                                                                                I HAVENT BEEN ON TF2 FOR A WHILE. can anyone tell me why keys are selling for over $2.50 on the market? sometimes even hitting $2.90? And why has the price of key in ref tripled while i was gone?

                                                                                                                                                    If you want to sell me some keys at 7 ref, be my guest.

                                                                                                                                                      I remember WAY back when this financial fiasco started, and in my trading infancy...

                                                                                                                                                      Keys were 2.33 ref.

                                                                                                                                                      Buds were 27 keys.

                                                                                                                                                      Ref was $0.40.

                                                                                                                                                      It's like it was only yesterday.

                                                                                                                                                    I wonder how many key sales < the suggested price happen solely on the Classifieds and they go unnoticed.

                                                                                                                                                      Too many.

                                                                                                                                                        If they happen so quick we don't see them, that would make them quicksells, indicating the need for a rise in price.

                                                                                                                                                          quick question. if refined isnt as valuable why arent craft hats rising?

                                                                                                                                                          "Hello ! Hope i'm doing great."


                                                                                                                                                            What's wrong ?

                                                                                                                                                              I think it's a reference to Plaxorous, who always says "Hello, everyone! Hope you are all doing great!" on every suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                              He's also the guy who you see quite often trying to raise key prices and lower ref prices. With good proof too.

                                                                                                                                                              I see what u did there, suggestor. I see it.

                                                                                                                                                                      Pretty much the only use for refined is crafting hats. Since that isn't very useful, keys have more buying power, thus their price increase.

                                                                                                                                                                        As long as the earbud go up, key should as well. good proof upvote

                                                                                                                                                                              I like how the price of keys in metal is more than 2.50.....

                                                                                                                                                                                That's why we have to constantly drop the ref prices too

                                                                                                                                                                                          Jeez, the guy who sold 20 at 17.66. I personally am not trading ref to keys anymore. They're rising faster than I can collect metal.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Anyways, the proof looks solid. Upvote.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Not enough proof. Downvoted.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I have seen currency suggestions with much more proof to support their price range in the past (mostly when keys were < 10 ref). This is not one of them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Later I think ref needs a drop :P current price in ref is $2.67 the new one ( If this gets accepted is $2.75 ) so ref needs to drop :P anyway not enough proof for main currency down vote....

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Omg the last tf2outpost is from me xD (closed i maded new one)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                       reports on prices. It does not set them. It has tried to have a "set" price for keys in the past, and that just hasn't worked. Keys went up in price anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Price should be higher, ppl are buyin keys for 17.44

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  then they will buy for 18 ref if this goes up

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dont like the keys rising; but good proof. Upvote

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    the proof doesnt matter

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, yes it does.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seems all good, Upvote

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      its not all right this is higher than the mann co store price if you calculate the price for ref

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Shaddap! If this rises then so will metal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Did I really get a warning for voicing my opinion on what I think is due to happen and giving constructive criticism explaining that the proof is good, which is actually outlined directly in the rules to be good while I see people left and right putting in comments that directly break the rules? Wow. Okay then. BUT again, like I said, "good proof, upvote" but would like to see some unsolds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I wonder who would buy a key for 17 ref

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Something i do not understand is that keys are being sold for more then thy are worth. 1 ref is 16 cents. Keys sell for an average of 2.34 to 2.38 dollars on the SCM. Mathematically speaking, that is about 14 ref. So by selling them for more, that's more the their value in refined.