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First of all i would say, that there's almost no sellers on bp.tf alone selling a single key for 15.33 ref, which is the voted price.
This is my second suggestion and i will try my best to get as much proof as possible, thx for your time/vote.
Sellers for 15.33 ref:
Sellers for 15.44 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24471332 - Keys sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24991683 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24885801 - Keys sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25064499 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea - 5 Bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25032981 - 1 Bookmark
Sellers for 15.55 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24393956 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24743972 - Selling keys for 15.55-15.77 ref ea (depends)
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24961209 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25026364 - Sold keys and buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25050328 - 1 Bookmark
Sellers for 15.66 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24773054 - Keys sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22109409 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25052754 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25066033 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24742903 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24998141 - A buyer writed he added him
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24969553 - Sold em so he isn't buying atm
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24863322 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25008485 - 1 Bookmark and keys sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25048429 - Say price is firm, but keys are 15.33 voted ??
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24302078 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22374841 - Keys sold with 2 bookmarks and also buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
Sellers for 15.77 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24305218 - Keys sold
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23389432 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24255488 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24960460 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24951960 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25067687 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24864855 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/21521961 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24451927 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24880879 - 1 Bookmark
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24195763 - 10 Bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24937091 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24897721 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
Sellers for 15.88 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24423454 - Buying keys for 15.66 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24963530 - Buying keys for 15.66 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24862161 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23954284 - Buying keys for 15.55 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24967973 - Buying keys for 15.77 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24805077 - Buying keys for 15.66 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24923883 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
Sellers for 16 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23802959 - Buying keys for 15.44 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24916904 - Buying keys for 15.33 ref ea
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24114577 - Have 5 bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/22556176 - 6 Bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24449312 - 4 Bookmarks
Buyers for 15.44 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23566372 - 48 bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24473725 - 4 Bookmarks
Buyers for 15.55 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24951960 - 25 bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23798941 - 353 bookmarks
Buyers for 15.66 ref:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25063669 - 1 bookmark
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24553195 - 10 bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24969713 - 1 bookmark
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23988919 - 265 bookmarks
Buyers for 16 ref:
Yesterday, yes, just yesterday i had 1 key, which i had on the market on bp.tf and i got a tradeoffer for 16 ref!!!
Sellers for 16.22 ref:
Sellers for 16.33 ref:
Massive 17 ref sellers:
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/24716928 - 2 Bookmarks
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/23113050 - 2 Bookmarks
This dude decided to sell a key for 25 ref, because he say, that keys will raise and there's people, who say, that he understand the mean of the key price, check it out:
As you can see, many of the keys from the sellers are also buying the keys again for more then the voted 15.33 ref price. And as my picture proved, then there are sellers, who also buy keys up to 16 refined, but i already sold the key so he bought it from an other trader!
Anyways. The suggested price is also overpaid by some sellers on the market, as you can see they go up to 17 and 18 refined for each key, which is long trip from the current value of 1 key.
OBS: These prices are just the half of the OP site and there are many more sellers and buyers, but if you think i need more proof, let me know, thx and plz hold a good tone!
Cooldown is still in effect.
Cooldown doesn't exist anymore if I remember correctly
It clearly says posted 3 days ago.
Cooldown is DEFINITELY still in effect. Check the backpack.tf forums.
What exactly IS cooldown? I've honestly only heard that used a couple times before.
This is still not a forum and people don't answer questions here that nothing with the suggestion to do have! Leave or give a com. on the suggestion! Thx.
I believe the cool down is what bp.tf put in place to "slow down" keys and buds rising and dropping rapidly, so the prices more represent the economy's overall trend.
Basically, bp.tf is trying to make it so they don't manipulate the prices.
That's very helpful, thank you.
B-Don't Use sellers to raise a price
agreed. Don't use sellers to raise a price. Just because they are selling, doesn't mean that people are buying. Plus, there are still a lot of sellers in bp.tf willing to sell for 15.33. Use the watch list feature and it will show you. You might not be able to see the 15.33 ones just because they sell very quickly and the listing is immediately removed
The 15.33 ref is being sold quick? Yeah, that might be correct, because people find it "cheap", because the sellers for 15.33 ref are only a few, so they want to buy em fast. Anyways i wrote a post on the botton, check it out and let me know what you think then?
Should keys be taken as cheap for 15.33 ref, when that's the voted price? I don't think so. Therefore i want the keys to raise in price.
If its being sold quickly that means it is a quicksell. Also there are many buyers at 15.66 (http://www.trade.tf/mybots/buyers/Mann%20Co.%20Supply%20Crate%20Key) which is the main reason people buy 15.33 ref keys (people that wanna make dat 1 rec profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
every price on keys is a quicksell try 15.66 they sell as fast as 15.33 doesn;t really matter to those that want to buy a key if they pay 1 rec more or less.
well, and isnt that 15.33 quickselling which means it shouldnt be valid in price voting? like i can sell every hour a key for 2 refs, but its not reason to add it in range. but i agree, sellers dont matter, solds do. but i know people are buying it for 16 refs (already sold few myself).
It isn't a quicksell at 15.33, but people think its quicksell? Do the price don't need to change then? It's the normal price, but people are very quick when 15.33 ref sellers are released on the market, because almost any1 is seller for above the 15.33 refs. Anyways, i take it into my range, because you still can find sellers for both 15.33 ref and 16 ref and in the middlerange, so it's not a unvalid range. Anyways, you cant compare 2 ref with the 15.33 ref which is also the price right now, of cource all would buy for 2 ref, that was years ago, that price was on keys, you better give an other example or just keep it on mind. Maybe you have a message, but yeah, you can still find sellers range on 15.33 ref, so that is probably why i think it's a good range as well :O
It could be nice if you would post the proof of your sales for 16 ref here, thx!
If i remember, the cooldown was removed already, there isnt any policy on cooldown (buds went down a key a day for three days, where the hell was THAT cooldown?)
You have a problem with reading timestamps, don't you?
Only sellers... Why hasn't this suggestion been closed yet??? and your price range is UG - LY
btw, cool down is still in effect :P
Only sellers? You better look at the post twice :))
The 'look' of the range doesn't matter.
Maybe you have a point with all that proof, but people will always sell keys for higher. That's just profit.
People are willing to pay the increased though, so the price rises.
The 15.33 sellers on OP had adds in about 2 hours of the posting, suggesting 15.33 might be a quicksell.
You also have buyers at a higher price, and in conjunction with the point above, imo 15.33 shouldn't be included in the range.
Yeah, you surely understand my outsending message to all the people. With the sellers i show, that 15.33 ref is less than the 16 refs sellers and might be taken as "quicksell", but still you can find sellers for both 15.33 ref and 16 ref sellers, which is still ACTIVE. Therefore i make it 15.33 - 16 ref, which is a fair and good range for currently buyers and sellers ranges.
Quicksellers shouldn't be included in a price range...
I've been buying keys at 15 refined a few times a day for the last few days. And these examples are just for NORMAL mannco keys. I've got a handful more of other TF2 keys (eotl, community, robo, and so on) I've bought for 15 refined in the last few days.
It's too soon for a price bump. Buyers and sellers are just advertisements, actual trades are more valuable info.
Actual trades? Well. Some1 here is not good at reading or clicking up the post, before blaming me. Disagree. Too little evidence as well!
English, do you even speak it?
keys clearly going up, meanwhile someone desperately claiming keys are crashing on classifieds :/
isn't cooldown in effect?
Yep,still some more hours to go.
Ugh, dat range.
Can someone explain to me please why are keys increasing back up again
If anyone dont mind
inflation mah boy
2 of 16 buyers are not buying anymore. The third buyer was only buying 3, now only buying 1 but has been unactive for since the listing was opened.
No recorded sales for 16 ref. Bookmarks don't mean anything, because those listings are old and bookmarks have surely been gained throughout the duration of the listing.
No recorded sales for 15.88 or 15.77 either, your buyers are the only valid thing so far. You have 1 buyer at 15.77
You stated "there's almost no sellers on bp.tf alone selling a single key for 15.33 ref" And since you have plenty buyers over 15.33, why include it in the range?
To sum up, the range is inappropriate and/or the proof for suggested range is insufficient.
edit: I don't think cooldown applies, since the middle of the range is 15.66, and cooldown applies for changes smaller than 0.33.
Updated. Look at my proof in the middle post and on the bottom, thank you!
In 22 hours I've bought 27 keys at 15.33 or less.
On your OP post, then you buy for 15.33 ref ea, updated. Also my range is from 15.33-16 ref and 15.33 ref is included in the range, but if you have sold some for less, then it's fair, but 15.33 ref is a part of the voted range.
the price is going up, your going to get everyone to upvote this shit
words of wisdom: History Will Repeat Itself.
only 3 buyers at 16 ref?
Updated. Look at the middle post from me and on the buttom as well. Thx.
Well. People is accusing me for using "sellers" to make it look like there's much proof to change price? Well. That's not why i do it!
Basically, the amount of sellers with a price from 15.66 and up to 16 ref is many more then the sellers for 15.33 ref, because people know that they can get that valued ref for prices to 16 ref, bc people know it's being more worth later. Also you say, that bookmarks isn't usable, well, on some of the sellers pages, also on the 16 ref sellers, you can see, that they ONLY sell keys and people bookmark to show that they might buy it later or think about it and don't blame me for that, cause it's new and updated prices and dates on the posts of the sellers!
Anyways. Here is some more buyers.
19 ref buyer? Yeah, look at this! (if you take for each key)
Well. I still not checked the hole OP site and this was just some i found on the site. If you need more proff, let me know, cause there's more buyers out there!
I want to let you know 1 thing. My range is 15.33-16 ref, actually because i know, that there is maybe many sellers for 15.33 ref, but more for 16 ref and that make it look like the range will be going up. Also i want to show with the sellers, that there is more sellers near the 16 ref range than the 15.33 ref range and the buyers follow this point as well. Therefore i think it's still a fair range, because you can find sellers for both 15.33 and 16 ref and people in the middlerange. Up here is some more buyers, comment below what you think and why? More proof? Give a call! Thx and keep the good tone in your opinion!
I stated that the bookmarks don't mean anything because those trade listings are all several weeks if not months old, and could have been bookmarked several weeks ago, when the prices of a particular buyer were different. You can't show when those bookmarks were gained unless if the number of bookmarks changed since you have posted this suggestion.
You are right in the point, that some (not all?) are old and also months on some, but they are bumped and updated with stuff actually also from today. But in i totally disagree, that bookmarks don't work, why would you bookmark a trade if you don't find it interesting?
Also you can go to some of the pages with bookmarks noted and you will see, that there's some more bookmarks on some of the posts.
I create a trade listing now: buying keys at 16 ref. Lots of people bookmark my trade, because it's a good offer.
Assume 1 month from now keys are 17 ref, and I am buying for 16.66. Very little people or nobody will bookmark my trade, but I will still have bookmarks from 1 month ago because people are mostly lazy and don't remove bookmarks, but they are irrelevant to the current offer of 16.66.
That is correct man! Anyways. I have checked some of the sellers earlier after i posted this suggestion and there have come more bookmarks on both kind of sellers posts, who want to gain profit or just sell keys as well. If they are updated, as i checked, then they are good for proof as well. #ThumbsUp
I've bought 4 normal mannco keys at 15 refined in the last 2 days
I've bought about 10 other kinds of TF2 keys in the last few days for 15 refined each.
It doesn't need a price bump yet. Go off of actual sales, not buyers / seller pages.
Basically i updated some of those. The 19 ref for each key buyer is now bought to this dude, so there've been sold keys for 19 ref each as well (5 piece). Updated info. Also some of the others have solds as well!
Now that is what I want to see
Should i upvote or downvote?
You should Upvote :)
The flaw in your is the one that raising the price does not fix the problem that you stated (people don't sell for 15.33).
Bare with my allusion, but Gordon in Batman Begins talks about this. "We start carrying semiautomatics, they buy automatics... we start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds..."
By increasing the price. People will just sell for more. We start selling at 16 ref, they sell at 17 ref." People will always sell at higher than value, b/c they want to make a profit. Increasing the price only proliferates the problem.
Keys are Going Crazy Man :c
I realize that inflation is a thing in the Team Fortress 2 economy, and that as refined metal goes down in monetary value, and keys stay firm monetarily, the keys have to go up in refined value, but it is getting ridiculous how much they are going up and how much that is (at least as far as I know) impacting a lot of other items. The B.M.O.C. is 6 KEYS my god. I just wanted to wanted to express my opinion about the massive inflation of keys.
Time to stop trading in Team Fortress 2
Man, fuck cooldown. Upvoted
+ how many classifieds above 15.33
These rapid changes in key price are, most of all, bloody annoying.
Oh well, TF2 is boring as fuck now
At least it was fun while it lasted
I'll just make new f2p accouts and start hacking because fuck skill
Any moderators here to close that item voting since cooldown and since sellers shouldnt be used to raise price? Or they have other interest here...?
the change in price is 0.33 refined, cooldown does not apply
every single key price suggestion is for 0.33. so that means that there is a crack in the rules here.
current price is 15-15.33
which was suggested from 15-15.22
there was 0.06 change in price
yet smaller than 0.33. yet can be voted again. every time after a vote ends. so im right.
-Unless the price has been stable for 7+ days and only a small change is needed.
you aren't right
accepted 4 days ago
accepted 12 days ago
8 days for a 0.06 change which fits the rules. stop this conspiracy stuff
why conspiracy stuff when we are talking about an item found in hundreds of thousands and the evidence every time concerns bots and traders with hundreds of keys? . why even vote on an item more than 1-3 times during a month so the traders would have the chance to trade and not be afraid to spent keys or refined cause the value may change. an unsure market with no stabilized prices is what made a lot of players already stop playing that game and even more trading. look at the price of crafted hats. noone is crafting no more.and the biggest why is why backpack.tf from a usefull price suggestion site has become a price moderator?
Well, why do you blame bp.tf for the voting system and why do you blame the votes for being too many in the month - 1-3 times? Well, suggestions are made thanks to peoples buying prices on the market and there is almost no people out there buying keys for less than 15.33 ref, because there are higher sellers, so like i said many times, the buyers follows the sellers (most of the traders). So, why do you blame bp.tf for the suggestion system? @stefanos13
I explained it already. Continuous price suggestions= no market stability= less trading.By the way i dont know where you understood that i have a problem with you or that im blaming you, i havent wrote such thing. i simply dont agree with the price voting system .
A little misunderstanding maybe, but i still don't agree with you about the voting system, because what would be different if the system wasen't on? TF2-com. can't just change keys from 15.33 ref to 5 ref, because it's too much, that would be very bad effect for sellers? So? @stefanos13
im happy that you understood that i have no bad intentions towards you.never said that keys should be like 5 ref.it cant be since a lot of ref is produced. what i say is that there should be a stability in price. damn make the keys even 20 ref but we can leave them be like that for some time.not 2 , 3, 4 or 5 days.a lot of problems occure cause of that continuous changes.even items priced for a key (x ref now) will have a different value later (x ref later). it causing a continuous chained reaction . thanks and sorry for posting so much here, i know that its not a forum or something but would be happy if at least 1 person would understand that.
In these ways:
You should really go and read my text in the middle, explaining why i use sellers on my post, before blaming me for the proof. @stefanos13
Don't worry about him, he spams every key suggestion.
Spams he says... Telling something that's not compatible with your opinion is spamming right?I already analyzed what you wrote me above , so if you want to write me something , first read then reply with something new.
Basically, just tell something irrelevant for this suggestion, spam discuss and other things don't care here, this isn't a forum guys!! Anyways. I hope you understand. Stop taking this discuss in longer range, thx!
Look at http://trade.tf/
buyers for 15.66 ref
Thx for help! #Like
Updated. Went to 15.77 ref. Increases.
upvote nice prof
Thank you mister! :)
16 ref for a key? u got to be kidding me. It just rose to 15.33 so it could use a cool down and ALMOST everything in crates arn't worth half of a key i should but lowered but whatever. And there are usually a good amount of people selling keys for 15.33. I bought 6 keys or 10ref each . And just because people are selling a key for these prices dosnt meed it need a lift, You should only use links if there sold or if ur lowering a price they should be unsolds for the current price. Usually if people have a lot of a item they will upvote a pc increasing the price to increase there value, I have 6keys and even I agree that 16 ref is way too much!
Sorry but gotta down vote please dont pass this guys
Woah I cashed out of TF2 awhile ago and I came here outta curiosity. This only raised 1 question for me: WHAT IS HAPPENING TO TF2 KEYS
The economy is dying because people want to make profit from keys without actually forking out the cash for them.
Less keys in existence + more accounts on TF2 = More expensive keys and cheaper refined metal.
Just how this entire thing works. Thanks Gabe and alt account users.
The only way keys can rise is if people are buying keys for higher, and people sold keys for higher. Backpack.tf is a Guideline, not a "this is the exact price for this item and it can only be this price". Refined goes down. Refined is used to buy keys. Keys go up. Keys are used to buy buds, and buds are going down. The economy is not dying, please do not spam, and good day.
"Please do not spam"
>Posted more then 1 comment on this entire post until now.
As for keys, that's just an opinion. I dunno why you have to go out of your way to somehow prove I'm wrong or something, jeez. The trading economy might not be dying but shit it sure affects me who purchases from the store right?
Keys are going to hit 17.33 again and drop the price later
I need some proof on the 15.88 ref buyers, so here is some buyers.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/19515838 - Very old post, but still updated and re-bumped.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/20240563 - Same.
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25086193 - Just 1 day ago posted
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25101633 - 17 hours ago posted
http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25040655 - Overpay by 0.4 ref acording to 16 ref (Paying 16.4 ref in items)
There is some more and updated + pretty new posts on some. That is some more proof here to make it final. I guess i have enough proof yet, but if you think i need more i can go and find more buyers. Btw these are only buyers!! Anyways. Note that i need more proof if you feel that i need that. Thx.
A - Don't forget cool down
B - even though you're using sellers/buyers and think that that's enough only solds can be used because it indicates that other want to buy keys at that price which support your thought on the price. With your sellers your just showing what those people want to sell their keys and not showing the reason why you think the price should be 15.33 - 16 Ref.
First of all, you better read the hole suggestion, very carefully. I know, that solds is the point of it, but when i have so many buyers for over 15.33 ref and a few on the 15.33 ref, then it is pretty much a good evidence, since i have lots of proof. Well. Anyways, the buyers follows the sellers and with the sellers i prove, that they keep increasing and people will follow those prices to get a chance to buy keys. Anyways, do you really want me to put some solds on here? Thx.
Btw, you won't see suggestions on the latest key suggestions with only solds, some of mine is sold as well, but they do the buy/sell-thing as just a single seller, so when they get ref, they buy keys and the post wouldn't be closed, so yeah, i also have solds buyers/sellers here. Checked that of cource!! The proof is still not enough?
Shouldn't we try to REDUCE the price of key and not RAISE them? At this rate I predict that keys are gonna be 20 ref by the end of the year.
The purpose of pricing is not to be convenient for everyone. It's based on what people will buy and sell. As the game gets older, there is more ref, making it worth less. To counter this inflation, keys cost more ref.
U got my words there Numinex, thank you anyways!
You're forgetting to average out the amount of ref with players. More players and more ref makes it stable.
Ref is created hundreds of times more than players join. And Currency doesnt have to be distributed equally amongst all players.
The number of players is fairly irrelevant.
More ref -> Key price goes up. Thats all.
No offense, but that seems pretty ignorant. Think about how much ref is made each week? Not even 1 ref. We have a drop system that averages it out. Besides, inflation is not the reason keys went up, it was Backpack.tf's Adkins and owner. These votes? Meaningless. We don't get anyway on this site, and they manipulate prices for gain. Multiple admins have admitted to this, and we even saw the owner crank bud prices down in December and buy a crap load, only to have the price raised back up in the same day. After that day, all the buds were gone from his bp, but he had keys though.
people create ref all the time. Also, the drop system doesnt have anything to do with it. Inflation = more ref being created. The suggestions on this site represent the current market. It isnt made to be convenient for people who want to buy keys. People will buy for 16, so the price should be raised to 16.
By this rate the keys will reach 20 ref. i dont wanna see keys skyrocket in price to the point of them being ridiculously expensive.
I know when key was 8 refs , it was fine , peopels can have soem nive items , but knew when liek bills hat or any unusual are really nice , now Peoples know : bills hat = peace of shit , Key is anything what they never will have . + Take key is really bad (lost ~ 15 ref)
I know Tf takeing Key up cuz they have moneys from it :3 , But dont liek this now Q.Q ... R.I.P. old price of key .
First of all you better write in normal language, so any person around here can understand you mean of the opinion. Second, then the keys are based on the buyers and sellers as well, so basically all the comments for people "crying" because it's too high, then thank the buyers and sellers, because they choose the price and we make the price official, so you have something to head for, so all price ranges for all buyers and sellers are the same. Btw, some of your text is irrelevant info for this suggestion, thx!
Unfortunately, raising the price of keys will only make people sell it for even more, driving up the price again. We need to keep the prices as low as possible, don´t feed the greedy traders.
Well. I know what kind of business you're out to be in. Well. Can you explain to me, why would we have a key price of 15.33 ref, when sellers AND buyers both have a range for even more than 15.33 ref and up to 16 ref? Then 15.33 ref would be a totally wrong price. Anyways, the buyers and sellers as well rate the price by sales and buys and people make it happen to a official range.
They don't care as long as they can sell their keys for massive profit to be brutally honest it seems
If you go get some proof to stop the rise, go ahead.
Currently your words be nothing.
I think that they should be lowered, as the price is getting ridiculously high once more.
You can SAY that it should be lowered but it's all about demand. The key prices are getting higher because the ref prices are getting lower (due to the amount of ref everyone has). Not also that, but people will always overpay a little and therefore more people will get on top of that idea and cause a change reaction until it is now it's official price. But hey, it's all about finding evidence. Where not trying to hurt the economy, where just showing what it is by its state of form.
This price is already outdated.
Easy upvote bot are buying at 15.66 Easily.
Does this make big of a change? i've seen people sell for 15 ref, although they are not everywere.
We need a better pricing site. I say no, this isn't even right because you didn'ttty to find sellers at and under 15.33 ref. People who WANT to look for that will find plenty. I say Ref/Key/Bud prices shouldn't have any fluctuation. This is just Backpack.tfs fault anyway, what is the use of voting if we don't even make that decision?
He can't find sellers at under 15.33 because they are all sold out or sell the second they are posted because someone wants to buy it. That is why the price of keys to ref is raising, there is a demand for keys resulting in less low selling keys. If you went out and tried to buy a key for 15 ref I'd say it would take you a good 24 hours of non stop trading, and that's only if you get lucky. So this suggestion accurately represents the market for keys at the moment
Before any downvote, I think that the key price is too damn high !
I still remember when the keys were 5.66 refined...
yeah ok prove it shouldnt go up with proof not dumbass opinions.
another knucklehead bumping the key price up, brilliant
Cooldown is still in effect +1
15.33 ref key, please go for a try to buy. you will never fast enough to get one.
It's been longer than 7 days, cooldown isn't in effect.
Please let it remain there. :(
why? so that you can buy one and sell for more? it's still the same if it rises.
"You've been warned by a moderator."
Ok, now I'm pissed off :(
How 2 afford?
As one of those 16 ref sellers when backpack listed 15.33, I've been getting buyers slowly, but surely, picking up more recently with how keys are at the top end in the steam community market as well
To say that no one can change the price for a week after a change is pretty foolish, markets can change a lot faster than that
I really would like to try to make a "constructive" comment, but I can't, I'm too stupid.
Also the rise of the key prices is seen as a bad thing just because buyers will have to pay more, implying the fact to get more weapons to craft some metal...