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RESUGGESTING because I got lot of comments on my previous keys range (16.11-16.22) that 16-16.11 would be better


http://backpack.tf/vote/id/55df3b11ba8d88fe078b457c


(links from previous Orginsal post )______________________________________________________________________________


Im setting low for 16.11 - because most of 16ref solds I've found were qucksolds, but ...


POLL http://strawpoll.me/5330200

Please leave You opinion about this suggestion ᕕ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕗ


*number - are tags for links where seller sold few keys but still have few in stock/offer


SHORTCUT STATS (of all beside classified in end )

buyers (keys in total - wanted)

16ref - 29 buyers (they want 60->60keys)

16.11 - 1 buyer (they want1 key)


solds (keys in total - sold)

16ref - 22 sellers (27 keys sold)

16.11 - 14 sellers (32 keys sold)

16.22 - 25 sellers ( 25 keys sold)

16.33 - 6 sellers ( 15 keys sold )

16.66 - 3 sellers ( 9 keys sold )

Δ Δ Δ

QUICKsolds (keys in total - quicksold)

16ref - 11quicksellers (13 keys quicksold)

16.11 - 3 quicksellers ( 5 keys quicksold )

16.66 - 1 quicksellers (7 keys qucksold)


sellers (keys in total - in stock left)

16ref - 19 sellers (19 keys in stock)

16.11 - 23 sellers ( 55 keys in stock)

16.22 - 9 sellers ( 42 keys in stock)

16.33 - 11 sellers ( 35 keys in stock)

16.44 - 1 sellers ( 1 keys in stock)

16.66 - 5 sellers ( 6 keys in stock )


BUYERS:

SOLDS (before You ask about link - check current key owner) [/li]

SELLERS:

CLASSIFIED:

    sellers 1x 15.88 | 18x 16ref | 41x 16.11 | 28x 16.22 | 10x 16.33 | 1x 16.5 | 1x 16.66 | 5x 17ref | 3x 18 | 3x 19 | 1x 21ref |

    1x 20ref key with spec Killstreak ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


    [li]buyers 1x 16.11 | 29x 16

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#1

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#2

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#3

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#4

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#5

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#6

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#7

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#8

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#9

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#10

    http://imgur.com/rDYfWFZ,tIcLTQw,7UVxOUp,bScKU21,VULqimt,WQxX9t5,ap8Qml4,L138RAa,lWrt7hO,QKYi1Xz,bLGVq6k,aq3crXp#11

Outstanding work, upvote.

    I'm having a bit of trouble selling mine for 16 ref. Every bot I've tried that buys for 16 and sells for 16.11 is out of ref. It's been progressively harder to sell keys within the past few days, too. I tried setting up my own trade and, as of the time of this posting, have had no luck:


    http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26902745


    I've honestly never had to wait more than a single bump to sell keys. It seems to me that keys are going down, not up.


    Edit: Also, a number of your buyers seem to be out of ref.

      I see that it got sold?

        only 1 / 4 keys got sold ( the 3rd from left)


        now sellers offers his keys for some items - on his outpost profile currently

          Eventually, yes. But it took a lot longer than it usually does. I'm not debating that you can sell for 16 ref, just that it takes a lot longer than I'm used to and it doesn't seem like 16.11 is viable, especially since all the bots selling for that price are out of ref and full of keys.

        why didnt the last one succeed it was 68.** its over 50 %

          because i closed my suggestion and made new one with new range

            Good range, even better proof upvote

          Honestly I thought the keys would drop :/. Every bot who is buying for 16 is out of stock with too many keys and they seem not to be able to sell them.

            Key bots are so common that they probably represent the majority of the actual market. Personally, I haven't done a standard search like I would with other items in probably a year? It's just not worth the huge amount of time for a 0.11 ref savings (about $0.01-0.02 per key).


            Anyway, it would be nice to see some keybot trades here as supporting evidence (or marked where they are already posted, if some are; I didn't check through all the links)

              Im not including bot as proof only because I can't determine how many keys was sold/ unsold/ left bot inventory etc.


              Beside bot cant be treated as valid key proof. Normal offer/ trade can.


              Classified are normal "support" proof

                I'd just like to see what the majority of bots are buying/selling for, and whether they have keys in stock. For example, scrap.tf is buying at 15.88 and selling at 16, and almost never has any keys in stock, which is not sufficient evidence by itself, but strongly supports 15.88 not being included. I'm aware that they wouldn't count as valid proof, but it is useful information. (Side note: classifieds aren't just support any more, they count as actual evidence if you hit sufficient numbers)

            With the new price you have me on your side ;D Awsome proof again! Such a good proof is rare!

              Classifieds are full of 16 refined keys and 16.11 starts on page 6 (!!!). If you watch classfieds. So how can you call 16 Refined sold keys a quicksold key? When all sell for 16 or even less on classfieds.

                "So how can you call 16 Refined sold keys a quicksold key? "

                Looking at proof links i showed ?

                Buyers for under 16 refined bumped few seconds before copied the link on outpost search page 1:


                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26527187

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26528008

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26474134

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26863452

                http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/25463293


                and many many more.


                Current price of 16 Refs is fine, 16.11 allready is a hard range where are way too many 16 refined sellers are, I can imagine when someone needs a Key very very fast and a bot sell it for 16.11 instanttrade he buys one to not wait for a manual accept on 16 refined.

                Also trade.tf bots there is currently only one buyer for 16 refined and all others buying for less then 16 refined.


                Considering stable 16 Refined for a Key. Maybe even a small downvote depending on how classifieds are after the weekend (weekend increases sales normally a bit then flows down again).


                  1st four link are month old buyers for 15 - its obvious buyers wanna give as less as they can (and they are old AF aswell)

                  last 2 links are trading bots for 15.66-77 - so they possibly weren't uodated in very long time


                  Your argument is very unvalid

                    Sure they are "old" bcs price is changed simply by editing the text in the outpostings - those are permanent tradeposts with variable prices like all permanent outpostings. Date of creating such an outposting doesnt mean anything at all in this case.

                  Does the 5 percent rule apply here?

                    If i remember corrently - it doesn't apply for currency


                    Beside keys rarely changes prices with bigger difference ( at least while rising it)

                    No, it specifically states it doesn't occur for currencies/ToD tickets.

                      >implying that i'm not ip banned from the forums

                    Totally agree, a lot of outpost trades are selling for 16.11/22. I believe that this is a completely acceptable.

                    16 ref seems stable, plus, does 1 scrap really make much of a difference? It's kinda pointless to just raise it by 0.11 ref.

                      Its not stable - 16 price qurrently is a quicksold in most cases

                      and people dont have big problem with selling for 16.11-16.22 (or even 16.33)

                        You don't actually get it do you. Keys for 16 ref is not actually hard to get at all. 16.11 is just a quick buy. So why add the .11 range when keys easily sell for 16 ref.

                        I see where you're going, but currency prices normally creep up and down slowly, not skyrocketing

                          agreed, people will just sell for 16

                            If this helps at all I'm buying for 16 and selling for 16.11.

                            http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26641997#latest

                              doesn't help at all, sadly

                                why are like all these comments downvoted to oblivion?

                                Here's some counter proof: http://i.imgur.com/Jwr0LaZ.png

                                Had no problem buying 16 keys @ 16 ref.

                                    I've bought ALOT of keys at 16 ref in classified over the past few weeks, the amount of sales at 16 still dwarfs the 16.11 by orders of magnitude and thus shouldn't be considered in the range. Also many of your buyers above 16 ref are sellers/poorly bumped/ out of ref etc. it seems that 16.11 ref is a quick-buy price and 16 not a quicksell (thanks to the arbitrage bots mainly).

                                        Theretically the metal value of keys will always go up / $$$ value of metal will go down because while keys are being used to open crates, not nearly as many people are crafting their refined into other things, not to mention there are millions of weapons dropped every week.... soo yeee

                                                Your last range was kinda edgy, but this was outstanding, Good proof, Upvote.

                                                    Eh, nobody want to keep keys untouched?(Unless somethink serious, like huge Gaben sale-out happened)

                                                    It stand at 16 refs(+- one or two scraps) about 30 days already, but as usualy, someone want to change price for a scrap, or whatever.

                                                    I may be faggot, but downvoted.

                                                      You expect keys change for like -/+ 10 ref at once ?


                                                      ( In that case price should be updated for at least half year)

                                                        Don't be such ironic, buddy, 0.66 - already good change, but 0,11 are not. Keys price range can't be always stand. Ofc its may be scrap more, or scrap less. I may be wrong, but thats how i see it.

                                                          0.66 change is something that happens very rarely for keys


                                                          If you dont like my range make own suggestion

                                                            Actually, i don't like suggestions at all, and i have nothing against you, im just making my option out, may i?

                                                            My option is: Trading in Tf2 at all, would be better without bp.tf\scrap.tf\dispenser.tf etc, becouse trading slowly going to shop market, with fixed prices.

                                                            So, i'll back to my first comment - keys should no change for scrap or two, becouse thats normal, if someone selling for 15,88, when it cost 16 refs, just to get metall, and if someone selling at 16.11, just becouse he got alot of keys and he can. Not becouse then want change price. Even if your suggestion is going to be accepted, nothing changes at all. Price would be 16.11, and still someone going to sell keys at 16 refs, and someone else at 16.22. So thats why i told keys range should change at least for 0,33, and better if 0.66. Thanks for reading my option.

                                                              im very proud of the mods work warning people for off topic stupidity. just because its a key price suggestion doesn't mean you can spout your bullshit about the eco and it failing and keys needing to down.

                                                          *trow box of Rad-Aways*

                                                                Just to clarify: you've listed my trade http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/26841280 two times, one in 16.11 sellers and one in 16.22.

                                                                But I've succesfully sold 4 keys for 16.11 (yeah, it's not so much): http://i.imgur.com/ndjzMGu.png


                                                                Also, you have really solid proof. Definitely upvote.

                                                                  Oh sorry for this double link - with so many tabs opened at once i accidently use the same link

                                                                  but i cant edit Orginal post anymore


                                                                  Thanks for info

                                                                  All aboard the train where mods have warned our comments and people have downvoted them


                                                                    sorry that im asking but when will this end

                                                                        We dont set keys prices according what we want

                                                                        Keys prices are set according to whats happening on market currently


                                                                        "I want lower prices becase" are not proof

                                                                          I don't think you understand how this works

                                                                              This isn't the classifieds.

                                                                                this isn't the place to advertise trades

                                                                                upvote Buy 4 keys for 16.11 1 week

                                                                                    He deserves the upvote.

                                                                                        I know currencies must be treated carefully, but this suggestion is now 9 days long and has more than 4000 votes, what're we waiting for?

                                                                                          Mods dont like me - last time they ignored me too

                                                                                            Why dont they like you, you are an epic guy especially with this suggestion right here

                                                                                          I understand dedicated haters for youtubers that have bots to dislike all their videos


                                                                                          but I don't understand how are people that dedicated, that they make alts to dislike comments?

                                                                                              idk, I got downvoted for asking a legit question. Alternates these days.

                                                                                                  I didnt made flat 16.11 - because there are some 16ref seller and buyers (mostly quicksold but well ...)

                                                                                                      Prices on backpack.tf dont work this why


                                                                                                      bp.tf dont set prices

                                                                                                      its just how current market sutualion looks like

                                                                                                        backpack.tf doesn't just pull out a price out of thin air and makes everyone follow off of it


                                                                                                        backpack tf prices follow how regular economy works. prices are based off of what people are selling and sold for

                                                                                                          I don't think you read it, but, as said by [DJK]:

                                                                                                          "if the price range on backpack.tf goes up then everyone starts buying at the price and sells higher"


                                                                                                          If people sell higher, bp.tf is going to set the price range higher. This is why keys went from 7 ref to 16 ref. Too many people are reliant on the price, so its best not to say a price for it (although classified listings do show what people want to buy/sell (usually quickbuy/sell at the front, and normal prices after 2-3 pages)).

                                                                                                            " its best not to say a price for it " wtf


                                                                                                            You have to understand that price keeps slowly going up be cause people WILLING TO give that amount of ref


                                                                                                            If people protested and stop buying key current price - after a longer period of time the price would drop ...

                                                                                                            but You know what ? It doesnt happen somehow


                                                                                                            Just because You dont like current situation is no excuse for HIDDING PRICE FOR KEY - because it wouldn'y help in anything,

                                                                                                            Market would do whateever they desire - And Im pretty sure without bp.tf and suggestion keys would sky rocket even faster

                                                                                                              that's why im buying keys with money not refs anymore becuase to be honest the prices are extremely high & ....

                                                                                                              & kovalsky ppls are greedy & they wont protest nor stop buying keys so let go buy keys with money let go with metal :)

                                                                                                                there was period - i think even in thisd year- than keys suddently droped from almost 20 to 15.77ref


                                                                                                                so its' possible


                                                                                                                but yeah must admit many people are greedy

                                                                                                              you clearly have never done a proper suggestion before

                                                                                                                I can say I want to sell my ordinary chocolate bar for $4000. doesn't mean the value should be raised to that

                                                                                                              That it literally what Backpack.tf does already. They give people the overall market's price.

                                                                                                              This is a price suggestion - not the place for buying/selling. Go check the classifieds and Outpost

                                                                                                              Too much proof.

                                                                                                                Well. There seems to be loads of proof. Take my upvote son

                                                                                                                  i will have to downvote

                                                                                                                    why? what the reason ?

                                                                                                                      Ummmm name is Based around trading. Lower key prices would make that easier. So I suspect that it's some kid that thinks the eco is 'failing' and keys should go down. To 'fix' the eco

                                                                                                                    DOWN-VOTE

                                                                                                                    bought a whole bunch in last 24hrs for 16 ref each from like 10 different sellers.

                                                                                                                      10 different sellers =/= the whole market

                                                                                                                        i did not need the whole market, but it clearly showed that they are easily available at 16 ref. Only the desperate/lazy would pay any more.

                                                                                                                          DOWN-VOTE

                                                                                                                            Out of the almost literal thousands of buyers and sellers at higher, you're gonna tell me that the market is based off of around 10 people.

                                                                                                                              nope, i'm (again) telling you it's easy to get them for 16ref

                                                                                                                                I look on keys trades everyday and 16ref seller are not so common - buyer maybe - but i see way more for 16.11-16.33 (bot, no bots )

                                                                                                                        Link these up, mate. Take some quick screen shots and show proof

                                                                                                                          16 ref isn't being removed from the range

                                                                                                                          There always seem to be at least 10 sellers at 16 ref on classifieds...

                                                                                                                          Just sayin'

                                                                                                                            look up my classified screenshot


                                                                                                                            there are like twice or 3timed mor 16.11 sellers


                                                                                                                            i dont post those link for shits and giggles

                                                                                                                                After two weeks, I think it may be time to close this suggestion.

                                                                                                                                  Satisfactory proof, #Upvote

                                                                                                                                    15 days. For the love of god do something.

                                                                                                                                      this suggestion has been the cause for me to lose so much rep, i was 'good voter' now im back where i started. for the love of god, can a mod do something. close it, hopefully accept it. but just make it go away its comment section is a mole on the face of backpack.tf. i feel soo bad for Kovalsky

                                                                                                                                        How is this even democratic price voting, when in the end, the mods decide whether this gets accepted or not?

                                                                                                                                        Just set a vote minimum of, lets say 5000 for currencies and if this is reached it gets either declined or accepted, depending on how many voted yes or no.

                                                                                                                                          It's so the rules are followed. Seen many positive votes knocked back due to one rule not being followed

                                                                                                                                            sure someone should watch, that the rules are being followed, but the final decision should be at the community

                                                                                                                                            With this time the mods don't just sit on their hands they actually check market trends and current price points to see if the price change is valid since so many keys are sold on a daily basis it's no easy task. If was a straight up voting choice prices that don't refectory the market would be accepted

                                                                                                                                            Thanks Man :c

                                                                                                                                              It seems you have a following of dislikers I've made b8 that has been much less cancerous than this. Like do people that think rising key price = end of tf2. Just ruin keys suggestions with their stupidity

                                                                                                                                              i want keys to drop =/= valid proof


                                                                                                                                              economy dont work like it

                                                                                                                                                By the looks of that name you have no idea how this works

                                                                                                                                                  no proof for such a drop, so no

                                                                                                                                                  sold mine for 16.33 boys, but still think it should stay at 16

                                                                                                                                                    range is 16 - 16.11 so ....... ?


                                                                                                                                                    what your problem Sir ?

                                                                                                                                                      who said i have a problem, just supplied info

                                                                                                                                                    I love how I key suggestion with this much evidence is hated upon. It's a scrap change, but if 2 cents really matters to you thats your lookout. Tf2 has a lot of great people like you putting this much work in and then it's got the cancerous Lenny face is my only comment losers. Up vote.

                                                                                                                                                      That's because people that have no idea how economy works comment about how a economy is failing. With their vast knowledge on the issue. That is higher key price = bad for me. Mods should be able to delete comments not just hide them. The place just a yellow mess now.

                                                                                                                                                        "thats because i higher price is bad for me". What would you rather, fairness or people like you hoarding all the virtual items.

                                                                                                                                                          welcome to a economy like in real life billionaires hoard their money and rich people in tf2 hoard their favorite items rather give them away

                                                                                                                                                            and you say im hoarding your backpack is more than 4 times the worth of mine

                                                                                                                                                              while this is true it proves 2 things:

                                                                                                                                                              A) You are either depressed about the state of the world or:

                                                                                                                                                              B) You really couldnt care less about how screwed up the world is and (deep thoughts here) arent commited to making it a better place.

                                                                                                                                                              As for why my backpack is worth more than yours: I have something i like to call a "job" its part time, but every month or two i buy myself a fancy sparkly hat to prove exactly why i am good at tf2, it also acts on an effect i like to call "medic money magnet" or mmm, where a medic is attracted to sparkly hats.

                                                                                                                                                                i also have a part time job, i only spend money when there are new crates :( also option b

                                                                                                                                                                  Can't really argue much more against that.

                                                                                                                                                      16 days just for it to move up a scrap?

                                                                                                                                                        only on backpack.tf

                                                                                                                                                          Mods are on vacations :-)

                                                                                                                                                            I asked where the mods were in that conga suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                            Within an hour the mods accept the suggestion. gg wp

                                                                                                                                                            You would think so but the warnings they have given out on a regular basis make me think otherwise

                                                                                                                                                              that fact always bug me ...


                                                                                                                                                              Well - mods haved prorities for important and "more important stuff"

                                                                                                                                                          It's called a Currency Suggestion.

                                                                                                                                                            I'm glad buds were removed from that category.